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# The month's Gentoo update

This month's emerge world has been a royal pain. After I got past the initial broken ebuilds (thank heavens for the Gentoo forums), I'm now at my third attempt at upgrading to OpenOffice 1.4.whatever. The first try, on Sunday night, conked out after my root partition ran out of disk space. So yesterday, after I did some clearing up, and with what I'm sure was a gig and a half free on that partition, I restarted the compile. And again, today, when I looked in, it had bombed out again with no free disk space. Madness. I suppose with 200 megs for the source code tarball, then unpacked, then compiled, and whatever other voodoo portage does, then the whole glop needing to be 'installed', a gig and a half could go rather quickly. OOo is pretty much essential on a Linux desktop (AbiWord and Gnumeric are close but no cigar contenders), but this is just one more reason for me not to like the package one bit. Bloat bloat bloat.

Two other fairly significant changes in my Linux desktop adventures. The first was scrubbing KDE from my system. I've always preferred KDE over Gnome, but the 3 apps I spend 99.9% of my time in - Firefox, Thunderbird, and Eclipse, are all GTK apps, so even when running KDE, there's a near-complete Gnome subsystem chugging along in the background. So a month or few back, I switched to Gnome and I've been using it steadily ever since. It's not without its frustrations, but it's grown on me - enough to realise that there's very little reason to keep KDE hanging around - least of all having portage download and compile KDE upgrades every time I update my system.

The other milestone was giving up the FAT32 partitions and moving all my stuff to native ext3 partitions. When I first got going with a Linux desktop, I kept most of my 'stuff' on a FAT32 partition, so that I could share everything between Windows and Linux. FAT32 doesn't seem to do time stamps very well though, and I ran into a good few hassles with Eclipse freaking out about files being out of sync on the file system, and Thunderbird constantly re-indexing mailboxes (presumably because it thought the indexes were corrupt). But truth be told I boot into Windows less than once a month these days, if that much, and so I shuffled everything around, ditched FAT32 space and converted most of it to ext3 space. No going back now...

File under: techie : {2005.07.12 22:44}

Comments:

1. Andrew Moir (2005.07.13 - 10:18) #

Hi there,

I'm pretty well versed technically in terms of Microsofts products. An MS slave boy you could say.

However I have made a switch lately to stuff like Thunderbird, Firefox, Openoffice.

I wanted to try out Linux - I know absolutely NOTHING about it - what free version do you recommend?

One with a nice desktop and good functionality.(I looked up the Ubuntu version which seems to be doing well, and its a S Africa product yay...)
Gnome??

Do I just install from CD? Do I need to create Fat32 partitions 1st?

Will Linux have all the Drivers for my Dell Latitude laptop?????????

Luckily I am switching my work software over to a PHP based system - which means it works on everything.

Thanks

2. Colin (2005.07.13 - 19:55) #

First, welcome to the Dark Side ;)

If you're looking to get going with Linux, you basically have 2 options: a gentle introduction, and the uh, 'immersive' introduction. I wouldn't recommend the 'immersive' introduction unless you really want to lose a lot of sleep and are really determined to scale the learning curve as quick as you can.

For a gentle introduction, you want something that installs off the bat, is easy to run and lets you be productive so that you can dig deeper at your own leisure. You're probably best off with either Fedora (Red Hat's user-centric version), SuSE (now owned by Novell), or Mandrake (which I think is now called Mandriva). I haven't used any of these in a while, but each has their own set of adherents and they're all pretty good. Mandrake was always regarded as the most user-friendly, but I'm not sure if that's still the case.

I've never used Ubuntu, but it is pretty popular these days. It's based on Debian (which would normally be one of the 'immersive' introductions), but I don't know how easy it is to install and configure, so I may be mischaracterising it. I'm not sure if anyone else who follows my blog can shed more light (Leslie, are you out there?)

Btw, Mark Shuttleworth is behind Ubuntu, but I don't think it's actually a South African product...

As for desktops, you're going to find they're all pretty similar, whichever distribution you choose. (Distros tend to differentiate themselves more on things like package management - ie. software installation, as well as configuration and admin tools with a smatter of stylistic changes to the GUIs). When it comes to desktops, Gnome and KDE are the most popular, (with a whole host of less well-known runner-ups) and what you're probably going to do at first is bounce around between them quite a bit. Everybody does this, because it's just so cool to have such a wide choice :).

Dell... to the best of my knowledge, Dells are well-supported when it comes to drivers, but the safest bet there is going to be to Google for your model and the distributions you're considering, and see if there are any major issues that jump up.

Hope that helps - if you get stuck with anything, feel free to ask!

3. Leslie Viljoen (2005.07.13 - 22:39) #

Ubuntu is very newbie friendly, that's almost the whole focus of the distro. I haven't tried Mepis, which I hear is good too, but Ubuntu easily gives Mandrake a run for its money - and then it also has the Debian advantages: all versions free forever, better packaging system, largest number of packages anywhere (15000 or so they say).

It's the smoothest and easiest Linux I have used, not even in the same department as Debian IMO, even though it's based on it.

Just one thing: you will want a fast Internet connection, the install is just a base system on one CD.

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